By Goth Mohamed Goth
Somali Prime Minister Mr. Abdi Farah Shirdon Sayid has on behalf of the government of Somalia received assistance from the government of Djibouti in form of military aid and consisting of armed personnel carriers and heavy duty vehicles to be used by Somali National Army.
The Somali PM who is currently visiting Djibouti was accompanied by Somali defense Mr. Abdi Hakim Mahmoud Haji Faqi minister who signed a military cooperation agreement with the Djiboutian defense minister Mr. Hassan Dharaar Hufane inside Sheik Osman military Base,Djibouti City.
Somali PM reiterated that this visit intends to boost cooperation in multiple areas particularly in trade, security and political cooperation.
During the handover ceremony the Djiboutian Defense said,”We shall continue to support the Somali government as we have been doing in the past”,.
Mr. Abdi Shirdon Sayid said that his visit aims at strengthening existing bilateral ties and will mainly focus on business, security and political ties between the two countries.
Djiboutian is the first nation to assist the new Somali government with arms since lifting of a two decade UN arms embargo.
Somalilandpress.com
Most of these weapons will primarily be aimed at the SNM cockroaches holed up in Hargeisa.
ciise have shown their hatred for rear isaaq moohaaaaaaa
kkkkkk we will see darood
🙂 I hope the Hawiye spare the grand mothers of MJ when they go north to take over Mudug.
you wish
If Vila Muuqdishu Weapons are already missing why are we having a conversation about where those weapons will be used???
Abdullahi Yusuf Used Ethiopia to murder countless Abgaal women and children while those in puntland were cheering for him and naming Airports after him.
Abgaal have a loyal pet called Mareerxaar and if not Hawiye it will the pets coming for Mudug to relive the action of the Victory pioneers all over again.
This is a clear signal to the SNM militia who think that Djibouti is not a supporter of Somalia. Djibouti has been and will always support the well being and union amoing the nation of Somalia from Zeylac to Raskamboni. As much as they (Isaq separatists) like to label Somalia as the worse, the truth will slap them in the face, in the same way as the last 20+ plus years fabricated BS.
Viva Djibouti!
LOL the last 20 years have been heavenly to us compared to the people in Somalia proper. Truely and long may it continue.
Djibouti is not stupid, S.land let them off the hook once. There wont be a second.
Lool, stop embarrassing yourself, Djibouti considers you as past of Somalia. If you had any influence on Djibouti, you would have changed that status quo.
Djibouti saw a chance to sell it old 1980ies military trucks and you are celebrating… You do not even have the engineers to fix them nor the parts for these trucks. There are no new parts manufactured for them and they look like a sitting duck.
There are more Rpg grenades in Somalia then you care to imagine, the vehicles from Djibouti will be moving coffins and where will you replace your troops from?
Clearly you have no Idea of Military Trucks, They all knew if you look at them well, is just they are made and build like that for your info. Are the other armed vehicles also from the 1980's? Hahaha, pleas don't embarrass yourself
the new***
Well what ever the case hawiye will be driving those trucks and we all know who they intend to chase back to Dabaad and Dollo ado!
🙂 Mauahaha
Take a good look at those trucks, it is the last thing many of your people in Somalia will see as they do their usual Marathon runs.
Buuxiye,
You must be from another parallel universe. Because in my universe Mogadishu was the only significant victory the Hawiye achieved. The Hawiye USC militias were defeated by brave Darood forces in Galkacyo,Kismayo,Bardhere,Balanbale,and Cabudwaq. Ceydiid had no choice but to pull his forces back to Hawiye territory because of heavy losses. His intention were to capture as many lands as possible for his clan especially Darood lands. If he were victorious then Bosaso,Garowe,Kismayo, and all of Galkacyo would have been under Hawiye control today. But that didn't happen in my universe maybe it happened in yours.
The same Caydiid that was being C.Blocked by the USA invasion in restore hope?
In 1992 he was using small pickup trucks and technica today you have witnessed Abgaal receive heavy armored vehicles. The world recognizes this Abgaal government who have the mandate to secure all it's Road-Map signatory territory Faroole, Caalim, ASWJ and Sharif have signed an internationally binding agreement to stabilize Somalia-Road-Map-Federation.
Road-Map-Territory pertains to Somalia-Italia that gained it's independence 01-Jul-1960 and the Road-map-federal government is within it's right to assert itself across it's territory without interference from the international community. With the help of Amisom and the trained and equipped SNA forces will aim to secure the entire Road-map territory in the coming years. Those deemed spoilers will have international sanctions and travel bans.
Rather than being a history revisionist assess the current situation and see for yourself. Road-Map-Federal-government and international policy are intent on creating a dominant clan structure to create lasting stability. If Hawiye are your majority then it has been decided that Hawiye dominance like Kikiyu dominance is the way forward to lasting peace for Somalia-Italia.
– Hawiye control the Road-Map-Federal-government
– Hawiye own the Capital of Somalia-Italia
– Hawiye will manage the IC donor funds
– Hawiye will manage the donated new arms
Hawiye cannot afford the creation of another Puntland in the south. They may have subdued Faroole as he signed the Road-Map-Federal binding contract and risks being a spoiler if he interferes as such he has remained silent of late. Muuqdishu has not given it's blessing to the jubaland formation as such any political formation there will be considered illegal and invalid. If they do take up arms against their government then they will be considered a threat to the Road-Map-Federation and forced to disarm.
I find it funny how on your previews comment you ridiculed these vehicles as an opportunity for Djibouti to sell its 1980's outdated vehicles and now you are saying Abgaal have heavy armored vehicles make up your mind. Trust me these Abgaals you are so fond of are more of a threat to Isaaq/Somaliland than us because we have less diversity and oppositions in our state compared to you guys. They can easily arm the Dhull or Warsan or even your own Gadabursi cousins as some of them want their own state within federal Somalia.
Yes, you are correct this Abgaal government is internationally recognized by the major powers of the world USA UK you name it. But keep in mind they did not recognized you people in fact they have deliberately ignored you for over 20 years and the IC see the Abgaal government of Xamar as your rulers weather you signed the road map or not..
lol its a donation fools ! those equipments are still better than the 70's military equipment of somaliland ragtag army ! kkkkkkk they even tryed to customize it in order to fool people that they have new arms !!
The only reason Djibouti supplied these much weapon to Mogadishu, is to capture Kismayu and Pirateland by force from the Harti and the Kenyans who were occupying Kismayu.
The days of Pirateland and its supporters are numbered.
keep dreaming and keep hoping.
Warning the following is only meant to be satirical:
When asked how the weapons would be used Mr. Abdi Farah Shirdon Sayid replied, "We will be deploying our forces to the separatist enclave known as Somaliland…we have an old score to settle there".
When asked to comment on the remarks made by Mr. Sayid the president of Somaliland replied, "What! Why are they attacking? I thought we had come to an agreement. I agree to all their terms…even the part about Somalilanders being treated as second class citizens…the only thing I asked for in exchange was to be made PM for life….I signed the reunification agreement last week."
Instead of being focused in Somaliland that does not really care about what you do with your land you should instead face reality and solve the real problems facing you in terms of heavily armed Hawiye seeking revenge for what Abdullahi Yusuf did in Muuqdishu…
Harti(Mj,DH and Warsna) have been allowed to trade peacefully within Somaliland since 1991, Increasing numbers of Og do trade in Somaliland. We do not interfere in your aspiration of owning Muuqdishu once again nor do we interfere in your claims of all the lands in Somalia-Road-map-federation.
🙂 You cannot fight on all fronts at this time. Go finish your war with Hawiye then come to us if there is any of you left after your marathon to Kakuma, Dadaad, Dollo ado camps PART-2.
🙂
Puntlansh'tter,
Remember Djibouti is a Dir country and will never do anything that will hurt their Dir brothers and sisters. But the quite understand that Somaliland is stronger militarily than Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea put together.
Remember how the SNM webbed your uncle back in the 80s with shotguns. This time around we will lash you with sticks no need to waste bullets on you. We will make sure for you not have a hidding place in dusty Majeertenia.
Loool @ ''Somaliland is stronger militarily than Somalia, Djibouti and Eritrea put together'', you could not even defeat couple men in Khaatumo armed with just AK47, and you dare to make that statement? I guess you are in the same fairy-tale dream with just a different chapter.
The SNM never defeated SNF, it was Hawiye that defeated it. And if MJ was not against Siad, then you SNM militias would have never chance, that's a fact.
then you SNM militias would have never chance in the north**
Truuuuuue the real Fight was in the south against
MJ and hawiye not SNM. They like to boast about how they defeat SNA but we all know the truth.
Syad was obsessed about Keeping the south At any cost. When it happened it was the final blow to his régime. All the rest is detailed…
Lovely, I'm glad Keyse is using all these names and is sitting in front of the PC having nothing much to do, but bashing Somaliland and ? his biological father Mr. Dhugtame.
Here is an advice for Keyse, please deal with Dhugtame and your personal issue. You do not have to displace your anger.
Names alternatively used by this nonperson are: Keyse, Jama, PuntlandGeezer(PIS) , Truth10. This is how low life this guy is.
Looool, you brought your paranoia to the ultimate level mate. I'm not Kayse, never been, never will. I'm me, and if you can't accept that, the heck with you
Don't you dare to deny it, you are Keyse and everybody knows that. May be you don't. Hahahahaa!!!
The same way you believe, everyone that is against the Isaq separatists is Darood, you believe this too. I'm not surprised, you Isaq separatists always lived in La La Land anyway
I agree you aren't Keyse but you are Darood….Hawiye's tend to be more diplomatic and not's use words like separatists…they tend to use brotherhood.
Walaahi I'm not Darood and I don't hate Isaq either walaahi, believe it or not. Is just I don't like separatists idea of secession, simple.
The fact that you used the term Separatist gives you away…Hawiye's tend to be more diplomatic and focus more on brotherhood as a reason for Somaliland to stay in the union.
One only needs to read the three comments to realize how obviously wrong you are:
PuntlandGeezer(PIS)—His vehement hate towards Isaaq shows he is a faqash belonging to the Majeerten tribe
Truth10— mentioned Somali unity and called Somaliland separatists….must be Dhulbahante something like that
AS for me—Kayse's wit is not as sharp as mine
I also posted a warning on my comment…but since you failed to understand the meaning behind by witty comment, allow me to explain.
What do you think a man whose just paid a visit to Siad Barre's grave will do with all those weapons????? uhmmm….
As for Silyano— the man is sooooo blindly power hunger that he would do anything to become the president of all of Somalia…even sell Somaliland out which he has been doing.
A very cheap comment from a cheap guy.
That is Jama?Keyse/Truth10 or whatever.
Majeerteen can brag as much as they want, but they went down in the world history as the most cowardly small clan in the Horn of Africa. First they surrendered to Afweyne, who sent them to fight in Somaliland. Again the SNM screwed them, they fled to Mogadishu and were lashed by Hawiye all the way across the border to Kenya. Now, who gives you the permission to open your dirty mouths, cowards?
Aideed's son is getting ready to take care of you again as soon as the Kenyans leave and the Sirreleonians take command. Just wait for a week and do not come back to me as refugees.
My hat is off for General Aideed, Jr . Fair game.
Stop vomiting your inferiority !!!!
Let the show start, Darood are not minority they big enough more than six million of them. LONG live DAROOD JABERTI ISMAIL superior people.
MORYAANOS come Puntland or Jubbaland that is for sure.
correction….can not came
Lool, you must really live in La La land. Mate the past civil war should have shown you that know one is stronger than the other if you have any brain.
And from how you talk, clearly you are more loyal to your tribe than Somalia, so whenever outsider asks you who you are pleas don't claim Somalia but instead just your tribe.
On Jubbaland, if you follow any of the real news, you would have known hat within the daroods their is a big oppositions of the Jubba formation. Gedo declared they have nothing to do with Jubbaland, and the indigenous people of Lower Jubba and Middle Jubba have declared they are high-jacked by individuals who have roots to those area.
Puntland ministers visiting yesterday Kismayo, have shed enough light on who is leading the Jubba formation, when it comes to indigenous or outsiders.
high-jacked by individuals who have no roots to those area****
stop the miss information you're spreading and Puntland is there for a moral support and there's large community who lives there for so many generation that share common ground with them. and the gedo community is there.therefore if you're uniter I don't know who's divider
Sis, if I take two or view men from an era that are not known to be the real ''saladiin'' of that area, doesn't mean they are there. Only view days ago, Gedo has announced their objection against Jubba formation. I'm not against darood, as I have defended them in many occasions, but that doesn't mean I should support blindly something that's wrong. The government is not against the choice of the people, it is only against the view men that have no roots in there and seem to lead something that should never be led by them in the first place.
Why is it that many Daroods claim that area just because their fellow cousins are there? That place is not Puntland sis, and therefore it can not be claimed by all Drood, but instead only by those who have roots to that place.
if I take two or few men****
I will start with this comment what federalism is all about.For-example The U.S.A every State has national guard troops that deal emergency disaster Mother nature,or attack from foreign enemy. The reason behind is if surprise attack takes place and they can not quickly mobilize nationally. So this forces must to hold off while they putting together their forces.Another benefits it has is diversifying our wealth meaning building our nation across the board, And not facing the dilemma we're in now. which all our wealth was concentrated one place and the resulted is one clan sitting all our wealth that we accumulated over centuries.Therefore we can not and must not repeated same mistake our grandfathers made for the sake our future generation we must diversified.Another bond of contention I have with you is.How you blindly dismiss the clannish behavior I see my own eyes from this man that's currently occupying the office of the presidency and how sided approach that he's taking this system he was elected and to uphold faithfully and fairly which he's doing neither. Example hiiran he wants hiiran to set it own federal system and he wont put his nose in it,the mayor of xamar didn't born xamar or grew up,our national treasures like maryan mursal can not get her property forget about anyone else and That's not all he's doing he's putting his nose with limited capacity that he was elected, And illegally claiming power that was't vested in him and expanding his role and in doing so he's wasting time Somalia can not afford to waste.And no one is allowed to point out where you concern. Why is that? and I would like genuine answer please.
**one
Fiidow ,
If you think we are cowards then tell your people to try capturing Bosaso or Garowe. After all aren't we the one standing in your way by claiming parts of Sanaag, Sool, and Cayn?. So your people are more than welcomed to try taking Bosaso or Garowe or any MJ land and i promise you that we will greet you with bullets.
@ Saeed and Sidiiq —the same person????
I'm sorry but the last time I checked Somaliland was a democracy…that is if Silyano hasn't sold the country out yet… and in a democracy a citizen is allowed to question the motives of their government. Blind obedience, and acceptance like your's is only required in dictatorships.
But maybe you're just practice for when Silyano does sell you out. How much does Somaliland cost a wonder?
These talks in Turkey…do you really believe Turkey would support a separate Somaliland? No. Turkey has already stated they won't. They just want to know what your governments price is for staying in the union.
Jama,
No body cares if you scorn or criticize Silaanyo as long as you are not cowardly lying and being paranoid.
You're just deluded, nobody can and will sell Somaliland. Come up with better ideas to criticizes the Silaanyo administration. Those who tried to sell Somaliland and failed are well known and had nothing to do with Silaanyo.
Loool even if you are a somaliland “citizen” those people won’t allow you to say one thing against your government. Being able to critize your government Is the basis of a democracy.
You guys are mentally ill. Seriously i hope thst Allah help you and bring you back to islam.
The only reason Somaliland are not crushing Kathumo or any other places who wants to fight every time is because we dont believe in wars but in peace. We are Muslims so it means we are only ourselves to Allah and working on peace and not fight every time we dont agree on some things.
SNM crushed siad bares army and they were one of the strongest in africa. Somaliland was not even a country again. Now we are a country for the past 20 something years and we have our own military and tax payers money who would pay allot to keep us safe from hating peoples. We could crush Kathumo or any other placr in the horn and claim ours. We could use the Somalia problems and take over all their lands and kill them all. But we didn’t and we won’t because that is not what Allah would want us to do.
The difference between you and us is that strongly believe in Allah and hid message. We dont want wars. And we dont wish wars on others specialy on our Somali and Islam brothers and sisters. Why would we?
We just want to live in our country peacefully.
Dont you think that west is putting us against each other. I mean if they did care about democracy and peace they would recognise Somaliland years ago. We are peaceful and we did everything they wanted us to do. Democracy, Presidents, Elections.
And they recognised and armed Somalia who is/was in a chaos (no offence but it is the truth and I hope that Somalia become peacrfull again).
The only reason why they are arming an unstable place is that they finish eachother. They are just handing you the arms to do it with. Wake up people.
And by the way our brothers in Djibouti is hijacked by the West (and by the way not everyone in the west is bad).
If they really cared about Somalia or Somaliland for that matter they would have helped us before the west wanted to “help” (which is fake of course).
Did you know that if the wealth of this planet would be given to the people of this world everybody wkuld have got every month 50.000 $. But nooooo that will never happen. Because some greedy and evil people makr sure that will never happen.
Let see the west is helping the terrorists in Syria to kill basically syrian people (+ the syrian army). The west is meanwhile killing terrorist in Afghanistan.
I am not for any killings except whem the judge order it and they have significant proves you killed others or raped others.
But if the west cared they would have let the people decidr what they want and just back off of other peoples and countries business.
But that will never happen unless our own people understand the true meaning of Islam.
And not just say, I am a Muslim meanwhile killing or raping or stealing or unjustly handling things or being unfair.
Dont U KNOW THAT ALLAH IS ALL SEEING AND ALL KNOWING?
We are Muslims so it means we are only ‘submitting’ to Allah and working on peace and not fight every time we dont agree on some things.
Sorry english is my fourth language
lool just shut up F.A. dont bring Allah (SWT) name in ur clannish post, the only reason isaaq enclave cant crush khaatumo is because the south of somalia will get involved. obvi the south and puntland will not be quiet, and what peace when the one-clan enclave attacked buuhodle last january 2012 and got their revenge lool 50 habr jeclo killed alone loool
Who is clannish here. I wish well to the Somali people and Islam in general but you are starting about clan?
You really see only what you want to see obviously. And i hope you see what you are doing to others before your time runs up and you go back to your creator.
Talk about solutions and how to help our muslim people and not only about Hawiye Isaak or Darood.
Dont you know that this is exactly what the evil wants.
That s what is sad with DIR clan. Indeed while Darood and Hawiye are so united, subclan of DIR clan made of Gadabursi,Isse and Issaq hate each other. Just look at how useless Isse warabee help more people from Zoomalia just becoz there is tension between their DIR brother in Djibouti same as Somaliland. DIR is BS and zoomalian are shameless as they welcome somali traitor Djiboutian soldier in their own ground and they dare to still about BS somali unity.pitiful.
so true bro, i couldnt have said it better myself. hawiye and darood are united to help themselves move on while dir all hate eachother. for example the gadabuurso and isse have a 100% intermarriage rate yet they still hate and fight eachother. and we dont even want to talk about isaaq the dir-deniers who think they come from sheikh isaaq from yemen or sumthin lool. they are the worst
@hornid
why are you grieving? this isn't time for grieving this is for party time we should be happy our country has finally be recognised by the world.
Loool There you go Just one deception after another. Everytime a country slap you in the face
you just sound so honestly disappointed when in fact you know that its the same answer somaliland gets everywhere they go : A big fat NO Seasoned with a big slap in the face.
So why gettin so angry when thats Routine for somaliland Folks ?
@ my brother Hornid, you spoke the truth, but it might be too fast to say that, since Hawiye and Daarood have killed each other. They don't trust each other, for now it looks they are look united for one reason, and that reason is Alshabaab. When Shabaab is completely defeated then the old wounds will once again start to bleed, but for now Daaroods are singing for the Hawiye president.
Wadani ur are rigth but also i talk about subclan of Darood who are United same as for Hawiye subclan, each subclan used to call themself proud Darood or Hawiye and figth for their clan. During this time so call DIR subclan are pitiful despite having chance to rule a country like Djibouti and now Somaliland but tension is so high betWeen them and never figth for single goal and call themself only by their subclan as nobody believe in BS DIR. Just check hoW Djibouti promot Somalia unity or some Gadabursi infavor to Awdal state of Somalia. DIR are pathetic really while with unity they can become most powerful clan and speed Somaliland recognition. So sad.
Issaq are a clan when it suits you then the next minute you start to talk about Being a subclan.
Whats Wrong with you Issaq-jews ?
The Awful truth is that Isse and gadabursi are tired of Your Superiority complexe. You the only subclan
That despise Openly the other member of your clan. They say what goes around comes back around…
Majerten big mouths have to wait for few more weeks until General Qaybdiid readys his Soldiers and Aideed attacks Jubaland and easily takes it over. There ex-USC worriors on their way to Kismyo. Where do you think the Majerteen will seek refugee, Somaliland?
Where's the soldiers .Are you going to dig them up?………..
Why are playing into his cards sis? The days of Hawiye Darood hate is over
I agree ,but sometimes they will touch your nerve.my apologies
Hassan and Fiidow Somalia has sealed its border with Ogaden the fugitives SNM cockroaches have nowhere to flee. Plz you have a chance to come back to Somalia lets us resolve this in peacefully.
Surrender now!
Daroods are really funny haahhaahhaaa! I can really hear the noises of scared rats around and nothing else, they even brought their women with them. Hawiye is back believe it or not and you still have chance to cross the border to Kenya unless you want the same as last time. Haaahhaahah!!!!
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
For your info, Hawiye is now more your enemy than it was daroods
Allah dhowro Jabuuti iyo shicibkeeduba iyo madaxweyne ismaaciil cumar geelle.
That's what It's call brotherhood.
On the other hand it's high time to bring this horrible secession dream to its end. KILL THEM ALL
Djibouti always has been the greatest Somalia
Ally. Always. You Will never Hear them boast about what they have done for their Somali brother. Furthermore i think that the Cherry on the cake In the Djibouti involvement is the Very obvious Feeling of gratitude that IOG show to the somali republic. Indeed they are (unverified) rumours in the street that IOG was among the east african Contingent (among Meles and afwernaki) that have Benefited from training and
Financial and diplomatic Support from the Former régime’s Secret services.
What happens when hawiye use the weapons on your people?
Just like Abdullahi Yusuf used his weapons and friends on Abgaal civilians?
Revenge is sweet when served with Magnification.
Bro its so obvious your just trying to spread hate among the hawiyes and darod. Remember that this is highly monitored by international agencies. All eyes are on somalia this year.
Looool How Sad it is when Separatist are insulting
darood/MJ When it is an Article about Djibouti arms Donation !
So just to make my point :
1 : Issaq are the biggest weepers in the world
They lost 50 000 people in the bombing when
At least twice more Darood and Digil&Mirigle
Have been Slaughtered in the Clan civil war.
2: We Darood dont have any problem sitting at the same table than Hawiye and The rest. The past is the past we are looking at the future.
3. We Darood never talk about issaq. They are not even Relevant in the current somali politics.
We Will deal with them Along our Hawiye Partner.
So Issaq people consider yourself As a a punished child Locked in the room until the parents finished their discussion.
To finish My personal conclusion is that the Issaq Slaughter is Very convenient to this people.
In Every debat they Play the génocide Card
when things get sour for them Just like you know who. The JEW yeah i Said it. The Issaq are to the somali people what jewish are to the rest of the world : A constant (Selective) reminder to the past
Ayanle,
What did you say…am dying with laughter buddy. The Isaaqs are by Ethnicity Semitics and
by Nationality Afro-arabs. Even the Djiboutiem Issas are the same as the Isaaqs and
many many other Somalis across the 5star greater Somalia and throughout the AL/OIC and
all over the IC world Nations. The Human races of Nations composed of tribal heritages
since Adam and Eve came through stages of interpol hybrid martimonials. To come back
to your Darood-Isaaq conflicting crisis, jokingly, you better watch out, if these Isaaqs call their
Jewish Cousins for help, the Darood would be like …just kidding. Forget it.
Cheers.
You separatists are beyond laughable, always claiming in the hope of recognition.
What is next? Are you going to declare your rel!g!on as Jewwww too? Haha, would not surprise me
You are Cush!t!c unless you are not from the Somali race mate, which I start to believe.
Turkey is merely a mediator. Do you understand what that means?
Somaliland-Republic ELECTED President — Vs– Somalia-Federation SELECTED President
Will hold a 2-state dialogue process as was agreed in London 2012. The only binding agreement that constrains these talks is "The Two-states shall hold talks to AGREE their future relationship". The international community's position is also clear "To support any dialogue process without interference and to allow the process to fully be owned and dictated by the Two-States". The internation community is also ready and willing in accordance with the "support" to provide legal experts, policy experts and if there is evidence experts in the relevant fields of the evidence to be examined. I.e. The genocide evidence that was examined and recovered 2012 across Somaliland by specialists in forensic science.
Anything else you wish to interject is your mere delusion.
Turkey would be violating the principles that govern it;s role as an impartial mediator regardless of it's own personal view on the matter of Union -Vs- Independence.
To assert that Turkey has vested interest in United state or to claim that Turkey loves Muuqdishu people as opposed to those in Somaliland or any other fantasy is merely your imagination getting the better of you.
1. Hassan Mahamoud has Amisom guards.
2. Siilanyo is guarded by Somaliland Nationalists.
If another Union is agreed there will be civil war in Somaliland and the entire government would have to seek refuge in exile. The main reason being Somaliland-Republic is in the hands of the people more then the government. Another Union will not quickly fix Somalia's problem and the international community will still have to invest the next 20years reviving the Somalia as a state where the government has legitimacy in majority of the state.
Where a 2-Sovereign states are agreed Somaliland-Republic will be over joyed and enter an era of greater peace and development where they can assist the international community to prevent piracy and extremism.. Since Somalia-Federation is in the hands of the international community and Amisom guard there will be no deterioration of the Security in the state and even if it does the international community is already well placed in the form of Amisom to address new threats or escalations.
In summary a Two-state solution is a far more viable option both for the international community and the states that have failed to achieve the dream of the 1960Union intention. The international community is aware of the best path to prevent any deterioration of the situation from piracy, extremism and poverty perspective. Not only will a 2-state solution benefit both states and the international community that is knee deep in the cesspool of Somalia but the neighbors of both states stand to benefit from peace, end of poverty and repatriation of Somali refugees to their homes from places like Dadaab, Dollo ado and Yemen.
Dissolution of the 1960 Union between two sovereign states = Lasting PEACE
Somalia is in no position to enter into another UNION while it lacks the ability to govern it's own territory as a consequence of that failure it is sufficient evidence that the leadership of Somalia lacks the ability to sustain any form of political maturity within their own states hence their aspiration of a UNION is a task far above their capacity at this juncture.
Somaliland must be recognized simply as a consequence of Somalia's inability to formulate a working political solution within it's own pre-Union borders. It is common sense to expect that since Somalia has failed to deliver peace within it's own pre-union borders there is a greater chance that Somalia's failure will only be given a greater platform if the TWO-State's political affairs remain entangled any further.
loooooool PIS i like your style. GO ON Bro' tell em'
You do not have Hawiye Partners…
You have Hawiye Masters…
🙂 Muahahaha
It is revenge time for what Abdullahi Yusuf did in Muuqdishu… run while you can.
Our Master hahahaha…………….. Yeah right, your Hawiye cousins can't even secure their own land instead they require foreign troops for protection against your terrorist brother Godane hahahahahah……..
Turkey is merely a mediator. Do you understand what that means?
Somaliland-Republic ELECTED President — Vs– Somalia-Federation SELECTED President
Will hold a 2-state dialogue process as was agreed in London 2012. The only binding agreement that constrains these talks is "The Two-states shall hold talks to AGREE their future relationship". The international community's position is also clear "To support any dialogue process without interference and to allow the process to fully be owned and dictated by the Two-States". The internation community is also ready and willing in accordance with the "support" to provide legal experts, policy experts and if there is evidence experts in the relevant fields of the evidence to be examined. I.e. The genocide evidence that was examined and recovered 2012 across Somaliland by specialists in forensic science.
Anything else you wish to interject is your mere delusion.
Turkey would be violating the principles that govern it;s role as an impartial mediator regardless of it's own personal view on the matter of Union -Vs- Independence.
To assert that Turkey has vested interest in United state or to claim that Turkey loves Muuqdishu people as opposed to those in Somaliland or any other fantasy is merely your imagination getting the better of you.
1. Hassan Mahamoud has Amisom guards.
2. Siilanyo is guarded by Somaliland Nationalists.
If another Union is agreed there will be civil war in Somaliland and the entire government would have to seek refuge in exile. The main reason being Somaliland-Republic is in the hands of the people more then the government. Another Union will not quickly fix Somalia's problem and the international community will still have to invest the next 20years reviving the Somalia as a state where the government has legitimacy in majority of the state.
Where a 2-Sovereign states are agreed Somaliland-Republic will be over joyed and enter an era of greater peace and development where they can assist the international community to prevent piracy and extremism.. Since Somalia-Federation is in the hands of the international community and Amisom guard there will be no deterioration of the Security in the state and even if it does the international community is already well placed in the form of Amisom to address new threats or escalations.
In summary a Two-state solution is a far more viable option both for the international community and the states that have failed to achieve the dream of the 1960Union intention. The international community is aware of the best path to prevent any deterioration of the situation from piracy, extremism and poverty perspective. Not only will a 2-state solution benefit both states and the international community that is knee deep in the cesspool of Somalia but the neighbors of both states stand to benefit from peace, end of poverty and repatriation of Somali refugees to their homes from places like Dadaab, Dollo ado and Yemen.
Dissolution of the 1960 Union between two sovereign states = Lasting PEACE
Somalia is in no position to enter into another UNION while it lacks the ability to govern it's own territory as a consequence of that failure it is sufficient evidence that the leadership of Somalia lacks the ability to sustain any form of political maturity within their own states hence their aspiration of a UNION is a task far above their capacity at this juncture.
Somaliland must be recognized simply as a consequence of Somalia's inability to formulate a working political solution within it's own pre-Union borders. It is common sense to expect that since Somalia has failed to deliver peace within it's own pre-union borders there is a greater chance that Somalia's failure will only be given a greater platform if the TWO-State's political affairs remain entangled any further.
Zoomalians must not count there chicken before they hatch. I'm sure some of these weapons will go to Hawiye worriors to teach the cowardly Daaroods a lesson and the rest will fall in the hands of Al Shabaab in exchange of Qat money. Will they then celebrate and praise Djibouti or cry and curse Djibouti? Let us wait and see the day Kismaayo falls under Aideed, Jr. leadership.
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I wouldn't worry about these rhetorics from Unionists of the South. Does anyone believe they could actually start a war with Somaliland when their own backyard is infested with chaos and disorder. These dated vehicles will be used to try and maintain stability in and around Mogadishu where their selected President doesn't feel safe without 24/7 AMISOM protection.
However I do not rule out unfriendly relations from Djibouti to Somaliland, this is highlighted in Diplomatic cables posted by the Freedom of Information organisation Wikileaks which published millions of confidential communication from World Governments. The reason Djibouti does not support Somaliland is competition from it's port and international shipping. This is mentioned in cables from Ethiopian Government to the UK & USA.
International trade, shipping and docking in Djibouti makes up between 50-60% of GDP, competition from a port several hours away will certainly affect it's cashflow and has made it clear by showing discontent to Somaliland's quest into the African Union (which is also mentioned in diplomatic cables.)
I encourage everyone to search "Wikileaks" and read through diplomatic cables to better your knowledge and understanding in regards to what other countries really think about Somaliland and even Somalia, then you'll make your own opinion about their motives and Intentions.
Lol, another separatists disguised to be a none Isaq separatists. Clearly your use of words and so on, have exposed you. You could keep your cover any longer. As for the wikileaks, clearly you are easy to be deceived by forged documents, designed to mislead and give falls picture to the masses
Disguised? What are you talking about? You should look in the mirror "Truth10," since you're the one who named yourself truth and do nothing but spout lies.
I support democratically elected leaders, not installed puppets.
Advice: Next time you spread lies, which you disguise as "Truth," back it with evidence, it will support your deluded theories. Your lack of knowledge in Wikileaks puzzles me as to why you'd say they're forged when all you have to do is admit you don't know what Wikileaks is, this would spare you embarrassment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northam…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-1185899…
Truth10, or as I'll call you from now on Liar10, next time you feel a urge to refute my points, please back it up with evidence so you don't look like a deluded individual, I'll even help you with formatting:
Point – Make your point.
Evidence – Back it up with sources and evidence.
Explanation – Explain how you've reached that conclusion.
Loool, the links you just gave me shows how far away you are from reality mate. If you call BBC and Telegraph articles evidence, then clearly you live in La La land.
You claim to support democratically elected leaders, yet you refuse to acknowledge that Somaliland so called election and referendum participant hail from one tribe who inhabited only 10% of the entire Somaliland. The rest refused to vote and participate becaus ethey do not support the so called Somaliland.
And you dare to make such statement as ''I support democratically elected leaders''? Haha, stop embarrassing yourself you coward
Haha, what news reporters are considered worthy if your delusional mind then?
I would love to see what news station you heard it was 'forged?' If you still believe its forged.
Please Liar10, I want you to prove how truthful you really are. Just paste the link.
Lala Land? I've heard London be called L-Town before but not Lala land haha.
I'm giving you the opportunity to prove to everyone you're not just a delusional little boy who keeps embarrassing themselves.
I'm not going to entertain your little mind anymore on this topic unless you can prove your theory and show me these sources.
Good luck!
Lol, I see you chose to avoid to refute how I proved you wrong on your so called support for democratically elected. You are not worth my comment anymore, because clearly you are full of propaganda and like to fabricate BS. Talk about prove, all you have is controversial on articles of someones view as prove lol. Good luck
You see the different of you and me is, you have no mind of your own but instead those articles are your mind and view.
I can also see how you are avoiding to refute what I said about your so called support for democratically elected leaders.
As a result of that, you are not worth my comment or debate, maybe when you have amind of your own then. Good luck
Salaam,
Hater's,
Dream's,
I"ll cut the whole story short for those who understand simple English,
Somaliland is a Living reality and Talk is Cheap brother's S.I.M.B —>People would Brains would know what I mean" Bring it On there's a Famous saying From a Movie i know "When you want to Shoot then Shoot Don't Talk"
Salaam Again /_ Long Live Somaliland and The people that Created It
Correcting "People with Brains" (S.I.M.B)
Djibouti did not provide all these weapon to Hassan Sheikh government, but it came from Egypt through Djibouti. First of all Djibouti cannot be able to afford these much weapon for itself let alone providing Hassan Sheikh.
Just ask yourself, if Djibouti can afford to give all these weapon, then how comes it failed to dislodge it's territory from a tiny country called Eritrea which has been occupying its land for over 10 years?
Please, think smart.
@Hassan,
You sound like crazzy person, Mj Puntland state of somalia and Jubbaland both have enough manpower to protect their territories without any problem what so ever. few vehicles sent by "CIISE WARAABE CANNIBALIS" to moryaan addmin mogadishu is nothing. the real show have not started yet.
kk, ceybdiid lives "BARAXLEY"
You really live in La La land mate
I do live real land call Darood Jaberti Ismail which is, Puntland.Jubbaland, Khaatumo, kill5 and NFD. wake up smell the coffee.
The show haven't yet start.
Much appreciated Djibouti much appreciated my brothers and sisters.
Now do not fail as you have been given Money, recognition, Weapons, experts, major construction contracts… It is time to focus on making your country an exporter of goods.
Dir, Darood and Isaaq lands are peaceful it is time you made your country peaceful. Somalia-Italia has been handed to your people and nobody can argue with you over it.
Reading all the comments coming from the separatist for their wish to see the Noble Hawiye and Darood to once again go toe to toe is the main reason why this this Kismayo conundrum has to be resolved ASAP before it gets out of hand.
Believe it or not if it's not resolved peacefully it will make their dreams come true which in turn will be the last straw for the IC and so will finally give the Triangle-land their clan secessionism they've longed for while at the same time giving the Ethiopians and Kenyans the green light to carve up Italian-Somaliland something they're also patiently waiting for while they're busy sabotaging anything that's in that projects way .
All the none Daroods like me are asking is what's with this secrecy in Kismayo how comes know one knows anything about these mysterious quiet as a mouse indigenous none Daroods that took part in the conference not forgetting also the constitution that has been passed without anyone on the outside of that conference seeing it let alone debating it.
Also the delegates supposed to be 500 even though i've heard 600 how comes it's now an astonishing 1200 for a region less than 2 million people contrast to the Mps that elected the president of Somalia who were only chosen by 135 traditional elders.
Don't believe me hear from a man who took part in that conference http://www.bbc.co.uk/somali/maqal_iyo_muuqaal/201… even the MPs former ministers etc etc that flew to Kismayo are all Daroods (especially well represented from the MJ sides) if i'am not mistaken .
When Aideed AUN was fighting Barres regime in the Jubba it was the OGs that were on his side well half the other half was with Morgan how time changes because now (god forbid from ever happening) it seems the OGs will be on the wrong side with mostly the Sade allying themselves with the Hawiye.
When the Pm came to Kismayo i was told Madobe was promised to be the interim leader for that region for the next 6 months (something he will regret dearly for not taking that opportunity with both hands) and ever since the Pm left the conference went form first gear into 6th in a matter of few days rush isn't even the word to describe it.
Irir
let me inform you things that you don't know,The delegation that was representing the Parliament today consisted this man's Hogamiyaha Dr Abdulaahi shacir (gaaljecel samow) Dr jurille Abdirashiid xidig and Daahir amiin jeesow just the few and i will give you more if you insist another thing I give you one of three-man the clan that he hails from hopefully you will know the other two and in full disclosure Dr shacir is related to cumar cabdirashiid inaa adeertiis maa dhashay that makes them wiil iyo abtigiis.Why Am I telling you this.So we can have honest discussion about the future of our nation.And why I support the creation of jubbaland another word federalism even thou the processes is far from been perfect but in my humble opinion it gives the best shot if done well. I hope we can have constructive debate.
**us.
Out of the 50 mps how many were none Darood ? and who are these indigenous none Daroods that were actually taking part of the conference and the the constitution how comes no one outside the conference has even seen it even after it was past.
Also how did the delegates become from 500 when the Pm visited to 1200 a week later see Sahra if you convince me this Jubaaland really is being lead by the indigenous people instead of the he who has got the biggest guns rules i promise you i'll support it 100% until then i see it being done in a dark room if you know what i mean.
For me i don't care which Tom D!ck or Harry rules what i do care about tho is that certain sections of the region aren't being sidelined by certain section with help of Nairobberys trough the disguise of IGAD.
Look at this map http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thu… most of middle Jubba and parts of lower and upper is under Shabaab which the government is looking to liberate.
When that happens with Gedo on their side well the likes of the governor and the military stationed their will turn who ever becomes the president of the Jubba meaningless unless maybe if they play the game well and make a Sade the president which i don't think the OGs will allow and prefer Madobe to become the president.
Remember Madobe didn't forgo the 6 month interim he was promised by the Pm if he didn't think he would win.
Correct
Irir, so long the Mareexaan in Gedo and Kismayo are against the Jubba formation, they can rush however they like but it will never work. This whole thing will start again from scratch later on.
Truth 10 thats where your wrong because Mareexaan have no significant influence whatsoever in Kismayo or jubbaland they are literally under house arrest lol
Bro then, you should know without Gedo there is no Jubbaland. Honestly this need to be sorted out fair bro. How can men come from other area and claim to be from that region just because their fellow cousin is from there? This is not Puntland bro, where one clan lives there only. Therefore it can never be made one tribe or clan area as they are trying to do. Beside the Sheikhaal (my tribe) has longer history there than them alone. Are you saying they should be second citizens?
Sxb of course Jubbaland isn't easy its very complicated and challenging project but since somalia plunged into chaos most of the people who reside in Jubaland have never experienced how to live in peace all they ever known was mayhem, anarchy violence terrorism etc.
No clan is excluded from the convention in Kismayo its just a propaganda spread around by Hassan Sheikh Mohamoud in fact all the clans are participating in this meeting including those from Al shabaab controlled areas in middle juba.
Every clan is active in Jubbaland meeting from Ogaden, Marhan, Harti, sheikhaal, Xawadle, Dir etc but they are some clans outside of Jubbaland like abgal and habargidir who deliberately attempt to jeopardise the peace in Jubbaland and this will never be tolerated.
Since I'm Sheikhaal, let me tell you what happened when the indigenous Sheikhaal from that era wanted to participate in the formation of Jubbaland. The doors were shut on them by those who are running the show, and in there place a non-indigenous Sheikhaal who hail from the sub-clan called ''Qudub'' of the sheikhaal were brought there. Those ''Qudub'' men don't hail from the Jubba, but they were brought there because they are men who have OG bloodline since they live together and intermarry in the Ogaden region.
The same thing happened with the Xawadle and other tribes, and that is unacceptable bro. It is for that reason why the people don't support.
This is exactly my point Sahra cant you see (forget me) this is a Sheikhaal telling you what's really going on.
Truth10
Now i get how it went from 500 which even that was unbelievably to the mind boggling 1200 in a matter of a week Madobe brought every Tom D!ck or Harry who would agree with him he could find in Somaligalbeed and NDF and then disguised them as the sole representative of the native people of the Jubba.
This daylight robbery done in a dark room is not on and will never be accepted and to think i was slowly warming up to it thank you Truth10 for putting me back straight in the words Mo CHEERS lol
there's no way I'm going to take sides between Marehan and OGs, I can only hope they sort out their differences sooner so the rest of Somalis can move forward. Harti and Hawiye should stay out of it.
@Amirah Istal-Somali
Lsiten to this http://allgalgaduud.com/?p=5149 how Gedo governor Kaliil is saying Aw-libaax doesn't represent the Gedo faction of ASWJ it seems not only one person has staked his career on this farce project.
I don't understand why the Somaliwayne people are celebrating, I mean this is nothing compared to what Siyad had and used against Somaliland. And we beat him! Like I said before Insects have more of a population than humans and yet humans are on top.
I am not worried, Somaliland and Landers are some of the richest Somalis PERIOD, if it comes to blows (which I hope it doesn't), Somaliland will not be the one suffering.
Be careful what you wish for is an old saying
Almost 30 years war in Mogadishu and the first signs of peace is receiving weapons as peace and some of you celebrate for it. I find that an insult to your injury not a present. Its preposterous.
The world is loosing respect for the Somali community. No more benefits and free houses soon.
If your not helping yourself who will?
What does anything I have said have to do with what you wrote? I will assume this is an error, unless you say otherwise and then you will have to explain.
Only an ignorant person would reason like that, ask the millions of People who die of malaria every year who is on top?
These are trucks people, also no one should talk about war that easily unless your willing and will go to the front lines. Stop pretending to be generals behind your computers.
@ samale,
WALEE INAAD TAHAY MAANGAB. did you know moryaan led by Aideed Mad Max 1992-93 was kicked out local ill equipped arm forces FROM lower jubba,middle jubba and upper jubba READ the history well because your very blind person. today there are fifteen thousand well arm forces in Jubbaland, who ever comes that area without permission from local authority will be slaughter.
ALSO, the war will not confine in Jubbaland area it will go beyond Jubbaland, from NFD to reserve area, from nothern somalia to north east of somalia all the to middle somalia 100% Guaranteed, and somalia will become three to four countries for sure.
The real show have not started yet.
correct—- well equipt arm forces.
@truth10
faqash fooqal xawayaan fist of all muqdisho is hawiye city and not faqash city so what ever is going on between hargeisa and muqdisho it is not your business or any other faqash is consent and also dear learn what issa is to isaaq
go away a sorry A** excuse for a woman.
Sis, I stated so many times I'm not Darood although they are my brothers like any other Somali tribe. But you on the other hand are just basing your argument on emotions instead of just debating me. But I understand, you are a women, and is natural for you to lose your control like you just did. As for Mogadishu, I was born there walaalo, and it is my business.
Correction…hail from there., although I have roots in Kismayo and Galkacyo
Missluvey-Misshate.
She comes out from the woods once in moon light "too much MARQAAN".kk
@Irir Samaale
You have failed to recognise that Jubaland is under the majority Darood rule, it is their land and Hawiya has no business whether you like it or not. Those delegates who attended the constitutional convention in Kismayo were the inhabitants of Jubaland. No outsiders especially the Abgal elders will be allowed to threaten the fragile Jubaland progress. Your fabricating stories of Jubaland owned by Jareer slaves who were in fact taken from their native African lands by Arab slave and for you to refer the inhabitants Ogadens & Majerteens as refugees shows your ridiculous thoughts an act of hatred to Daroods.
You can't argue with History, and I suggest you stop your propaganda and deal with the facts.
Ps Jareer will be allowed to return home to Tanzania
Bro, if you referring as history from the period Siyad immigrated people from Nugaal and Bari to the Lower Jubba, then clearly you are lying or misinformed. Having said that, darood might be majority in Lower jubba except Kismayo, but surely Middle Jubba is not a darood tplace at all as to date. Gedo is Marexaan (darood) majority yes, but they are also against the Jubba formation as we all know.
Stop the Abgaal BS pleas, we all know the executive power is with the PM. The only reason why the Government is again the Jubba formation is, it is lead by people who have no roots to those area. People are being brought from Ethiopia and Kenya who have no roots in that area at all.
Just because view Daroods live there, that doesn't give right to other uninhabited daroods to come and claim that area as Darood.
Unbelievable. DAArood are the majority of jubbaland and the only other two clan who lives there with them are gaaljecel and sheekhaal were neitheir hawiye or daarood lately I'm hearing something funny but hawiye one clan lives there gaaljecel. And I've no doubt they will get their share and they should .Their large reer kismanyo who live the city I"am residing now. people who hail from my clan who can trace back six generation from kismanyo and surrounding area. where their grandfather are buried and homes they grew up are still standing and can pin point the lands they own the picture that dated way back.If people think they can come over here denied them and created the jungle call hamar than we're in for a long haul….
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You right about Sheikhaal (my clan) and Gaaljecel, but I'm talking about Middle Jubba sis, which is not a darood territory at all.
The thing that I disagree with is, why many daroods who do not hail from their are going and claiming that area, just because their cousin hail from there? Eevery darood who hails from there should claim that area but not those who have no roots to that area, but only have a relative who hails from there.
Truth10 in most cases you tell the truth but in this case I disagree with you. If majerteen were the latest immigrant's to jubbaland? How come they were signing agreements in Kismayo with the Italian colonists back in1880? How could this be possible Truth10?
And again Siyad never settled any majerteen in Jubbaland, those he settled were mareexaan from Galguduud sources from Majerteen elders believe Siyad wanted to checkmate the majerteen political influences in Kismayo.
Geezer bro it was called harti and it wasnt just majeerteen. Remember dhulbahante and warsengali and the other minority clans have always lived their. I agree that kismayo was always an issue between the the marexan and the harti . But now kismayo wants to be ruled by an ogaden? this is getting out of hand.
From a clan prospective that's true but if all other come together i doubt it.
Listen the true home of the Marehan is what is today called MJ land and parts of the Ogaden but for some strange reason somewhere in the 1600 most of the once in MJ land packed their bags and relocated to their counterparts in the Ogaden then again in late 1800 split in half with some staying in the Ogaden while the other relocating mostly to what is now known today as Gedo.
With the OGs they too under the Aulihan split in half with one halve of the Aulihan staying in the Ogaden while the other settled in the Jubba and what is now know as NDF in the late 1800 in regions like Garissa Jilib and Afmadow. The Bantus were also brought there as slaves in the 1800.
But that still didn't affect the demographic the Rahanweyn were still the majority in Gedo Hawiye still controlled lower Jubba and middle was mixed but then the major drought happened in the North in 1974/5 which Barre with the help of the soviets relocating nearly 100000 of them to the Jubba (that how the harti also came obviously they were there before but only as businessman).
Add that with Barre loss of the Ogaden war in 1978 leading to mass exodus http://countrystudies.us/somalia/54.htm from 78 to 1991
When Barre was getting topples many of the OG refugees were fighting on his side but only for their benefit and that was to dominate the region they were hosted in places like Hiiraan Somaliland Jubba they only succeeded in Jubba
After 1991 Barre and his henchmen Morgan fled to Gedo and started to ethnically cleanse the Rahanweyn from Gedo to make a Marehan state and then did the same but with less effort in the Jubba and that's how today we've come to the conclusion of how the Daroods managed to dominate that area it is called with the help of Barres Gacan.
Now whether you don't believe me or not is up to you to decide but history knows
KAYSE GIVE IT UP NOTHING ELSE TO BE SAID!!
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Sahra instead calling me names and denying everything i say show me where is was lying!!
Come to Toronto and I will gladly introduce to you the people you're denied.not only that i will also introduce to you the people you trying so hard to give the land that they never live there the real hawiye.who have no problem saying who's the majority and how far it dates.This is just not a talk actually they, what a mean is not a 10or20 people large community with their documentation!!!!!!!!!
PuntGeez you are welcome to return to Yemen carrying Arab feces you akhdam.
you go back Mr too many names.
With every Somali working together more can get done. viva Djibouti 🙂
Kismaayo will become the newest booming city. Imagine the markets being dominated by Harti, the Jubbaland military dominated by Sade, coupled with the mighty of Absame. I feel like Kismaayo is the Israel of Darod, let us migrate to our homeland. Let's expand our settlements like the Jews. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
is this the reason why Kikwete consulted France first? i remember before Kabila visited Tanzania, Kikwete visited PARIS, I think, you do not need to under estimate Tanzania, they have a well trained army, they are up close with china and France the big enemy of kagame….so if they decided to step in, they might have measured the cons and prons. I am Tanzanian, i have seen lots of weapons get into Tanzania, i don't know whether they were for ourselves or were transported to congo….so, m23 you better get ready, also, if Rwanda wants to disappear, try to fight tanzania. I think, for the good prosperity that Rwanda has reached, you don't need Tanzania to destroy it within a month, its better you stay out of the m23 to survive your development. otherwise, you may find yourselves in a level of 1994 something which is very bad.
However, i think it will be necessary because Rwanda is advancing in development in expense of poor Congolese, women are raped in congo, killed and lots of bad things happen there for the support of Rwanda.Kagame. why should congolese pay price of tutsi?….if kagame want to continue staying in power, you better get out of this confrontation. Tanzania is prepared and foreseen what this would be.
DJ is like a vulture hovering over weak ppl just waiting until they mess up. They will give you tools to destroy yourselves, but never tools to help development.
Why military and not simple things like trade cos they close their borders like we will give them diseases.
The only reason why anyone is even bothered to fight for Kismanyo is that Shabab build a lucrative trade in char coal to the middle east.
Such a trade will destroy the local ecology and accelerate the desertification process. The loss of the trees will also weaken the top soil which will erode with each rain fall. Kismanyo will turn from a fertile oasis to just another barren arid land.
It is interesting how the political posts have already been decided long prior to consultation of the residence of the region.
If allocation is on the basis of distant relations then DIr should also invite all the Dir from Ethiopia, Djibouti and Somaliland to go take their relative shares.
Dir should not accept 1 seat less then Daroods.
JUbbaland is done deal and the majority will be the majority but you Mr too many names who has total access to this website no surprise to anybody with brain why you all over this place with long and unsubstantiated lies you keep spewing every other minute. which having move your agenda iota but actually in-reality is moving to the other way and when the upcoming meeting in turkey concludes you will witness with your own eyes what I 'm talking about. And how fast your so-called government break your heart shattered your dream!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear my fellow Africans, I read with total disbelief and pity the discussions going on here. While progressive Africans have since independence advocated for unity some backward, confused and cowardly brothers are hell bent on Balkanization along their small clans! No wonder greater Somalia can only be a pipe dream. They argue in support of small war lords when a united Somalia would make the world stand up and take note. What a shame my beloved Africa!! What a shame.
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